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26 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:07 am

Caera--you can go back much further than Seymour. There's a book from around the civil war comparing Nathan Hale to Major Andre. I read it in the colonial williamsburg library, but there might be a copy on Google Books.

Even before that, after the war of 1812, Nathan Hale was such a beloved National icon that William Hull's daughters fabricated (?) exaggerated (?) that famous last incident with Hull & Nathan in their biography of their father in order to exonerate his character after he flubbed up at the battle of Detroit. (I'm in the fabricated camp--so don't look for it in The Dreamer!!) Look for old newspaper articles, etc, to see some of the ways he started popping up in newspapers by the end of the Rev. War.

I'll PM you my answers since one of them is a little spoilerish to folks who haven't done their history homework for The Dreamer. Smile

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27 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:33 am

comic-chic wrote:Caera--you can go back much further than Seymour. There's a book from around the civil war comparing Nathan Hale to Major Andre. I read it in the colonial williamsburg library, but there might be a copy on Google Books.

Even before that, after the war of 1812, Nathan Hale was such a beloved National icon that William Hull's daughters fabricated (?) exaggerated (?) that famous last incident with Hull & Nathan in their biography of their father in order to exonerate his character after he flubbed up at the battle of Detroit. (I'm in the fabricated camp--so don't look for it in The Dreamer!!) Look for old newspaper articles, etc, to see some of the ways he started popping up in newspapers by the end of the Rev. War.

I'll PM you my answers since one of them is a little spoilerish to folks who haven't done their history homework for The Dreamer. Smile

I know. I was talking about Seymour's hunt for the Homestead specifically. Dedication. lol

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28 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:24 pm


Sorry to go off-topic(and post here at all since I'm not really a fan of Hale), but I thought you all just had to see this

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29 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:48 am

Oh, Lora, props to you for getting that quote into the new page, regardless of excluding the Hull scene! Wink

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30 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:38 am

Caera wrote:Oh, Lora, props to you for getting that quote into the new page, regardless of excluding the Hull scene! Wink

I wondered how many people would be mad at me for that. Spoiler: We'll meet Benjamin Tallmadge soon. I thought throwing Hull into the mix also would be confusing, and distracting from the real story here. (aka a young High School girl keeps having dreams about the American Revolution!)

That AND... I'm not sure I really believe that story anyway, for a lot of reasons. BUT... it's such a part of Hale-lore that I wanted to use the quote. So here it is, out of place but it probably never happened anyway, lol, so I don't feel too bad.

So here's some myth and fiction to go with your history. Hope you all enjoy it! Very Happy

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31 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:44 am

I read somewhere that Nathan was the first person to use 'independence' while speaking at a public meeting...how likely is it to be true???

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32 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:49 am

Very, Very, Very unlikely. Razz But we love him anyway!

Dr. Warren & Sam Adams were using this rhetoric for 10-15 years before the fighting started. Nathan would've been just a boy.

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33 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:06 am

Awww. To bad, that would've been awesome.

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34 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:13 am

I think Nathan Hale was a great man with a beautiful spirit and an admirable faith. But I think he was largely a product of his times. Did he stand out in the crowd? Yes.

But he wasn't a Sam Adams, a James Otis, a Joseph Warren, a Patrick Henry... he wasn't a mover and shaker. He wasn't one of the people who created the times they were living in. I don't know if he had lived if he would have moved into politics and become such a person. But even the "radical" ideas he had at the time were fashionable among certain crowds. He adopted these ideas that other people had already developed--back when they were standing alone. (Even John Adams gave up on Independence for awhile, while Dr. Warren & Sam Adams were still fighting a seemingly pointless battle.) Hale was brave enough to act on these new, trendy ideals, yes, and we love him for it! But if you remove these other guys from American history, do you still have a revolution? Maybe... but maybe not. Nathan wasn't that kind of a player.

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35 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:26 pm

Artistic license, dear! You've done a sight better than most movies!

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36 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:33 am

A sight better than most movies, I mean, on keeping to the core of history. lol Now if you do something weird and have Nathan NOT die then I won't be able to say that, but I don't think we'd argue...lol

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37 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:18 am

Embarassed Lora...please give a spioler and say you're saving Nathan????

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38 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:06 pm

Hi, I have a question about Nathan...
Does anyone know how many siblings Nathan had, and would have known before he died? And how many, if any, of his brothers fought in the war as well?
I'm working on an eassay for a class I'm teaching at my homeschool co-op and need the info if anyone has it. Thanks!

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39 Nathan's siblings on Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:54 pm

Nathan had eight siblings. He had a sister named Elizabeth, a brother named Enoch, another named David.. and I forgot the rest. Enoch was the one who tried to find out what happened to Nathan. That part of Nathan's story is sad. I believe Nathan's three brothers served in the Continental army.

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40 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:46 pm

Awesome! Thanks!

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41 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:44 pm

Your Welcome! If you need any more help, feel free to ask me! Smile

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42 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:11 pm

Enoch did not serve in the army. (He was a minister.) But two of Nathan's younger brothers did. I think they served in Col. Webb's regiment, which was Nathan's regiment. Nathan never officially left Webb's regiment, he was just "on loan" to Lt. Colonel Knowlton, in Colonel Durkee's regiment.

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43 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:22 pm

Ok, so was Nathan part of the Connecticut Militia or something else?

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44 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:26 am

He was when he lived in New London. But he enlisted (with Col. Webb's regiment) after April 19th, though his regiment didn't make it to Boston until after Bunker Hill. So he sat around bored for nearly a year until the British evacuated Boston. The Continental Army then went down to New York.

In September 1776 he was put on loan to Knowlton's Rangers.

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45 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:00 pm

Hi! Thank you to everyone who gave me info on Nathan! If you want to check out the essay here's the link http://iwritelikekrazy.wordpress.com/2011/04/23/nathan-hale/
And thank you again Lora for letting me use your pictures!

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46 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:50 am

Happy birthday Nathan!

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47 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:31 am

*Smacks head with hand* I cannot believe I forgot! Oh well, at least I am not too late!

Happy Birthday Nathan! I hope your having fun eating lots of birthday cake in heaven...

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48 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:31 am

YAYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!! Happy Birthday, Nathan! We love you so much!!

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49 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:33 pm

18thcenturydreamer wrote:*Smacks head with hand* I cannot believe I forgot! Oh well, at least I am not too late!

Happy Birthday Nathan! I hope your having fun eating lots of birthday cake in heaven...

And Mint Chocolate Chip Ice Cream! Very Happy

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50 Re: Calling all Nathan-worshippers! on Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:42 pm

We just had a little birthday party for Nathan with chocolate cakes (made in mugs!) and savannah mint ice cream!!

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